- Build quality, Case and design and looks
- Keyboard and Trackpad
- Sound and Speakers
- General subjective performance experience
- Gaming Performance
- Test methods and drivers
- Synthetic 3D benchmarks
- Summarized gaming performance
- Crysis 3
- Bioshock Infinite
- Civilization : Beyond Earth
- Total War : Warhammer
- Metro : Last Light
- Battlefield 4 Campaign
- Alien : Isolation
- World of Tanks
- Shadow Of Mordor
- Ashes Of Singularity
- Anno 2205
- Fallout 4
- ARK: Survival Evolved
- The Talos Principle
- Rise of the Tomb Raider
- No Man's Sky
- Star Wars : Battlefront
- Hitman 2016
- Deus Ex : Mankind Divided
- Thermals, Throttling & Noise handling
- Screen / Screen quality
- Overlocking GTX 1070 8GB
- Competing gaming laptops / alternatives
++ Main reason to consider:
Very good performance/price ratio with a GTX 1070 for $1500 alongside overall good feature-set and thermal performance.
-- Main reason to avoid:
For a GTX 1070 performance and up, some might prefer a laptop with MXM GPU upgrade capability and/or a desktop CPU, like the Clevo P775DM3-G, MSI GT62VR or others
Various versions are available from retailers, but you can check Clevo resellers and ask for specific configuration and discounts:
+ Very good performance/price and value/performance ratios, for basic version.
+ While chassis can get pretty warm under high load, the CPU and GPU remain within reasonable temperatures range
+ 1080p IPS display is good (though not great) + G-Sync support
+ Keyboard is pretty comfortable and although not being perfect, it's pretty satisfactory. Multicolor and customizable
+ Good storage ports selection : 1 x M.2 NVMe PCIe x4 slot, 2 x M.2 SATA, 2 x SATA 2.5" bays (7mm + 9mm)
+ Good selection of connection ports : 2 x mDP v1.3, HDMI (not sure if 2.0), 2 x USB 3.1 gen 2, SPDI/F port
+ Relatively slim and lightweight for such a high performance 15.6" gaming laptop (compared to the heavier models with desktop CPU and an MXM GPU)
+ 4 x DDR4 slots
+ Solid, simple looks
+ TPM 2.0
+ Both Optimus and G-Sync modes
- No Thunderbolt 3 (but there will be probably an EXP GDC for M.2 PCIe)
- No MXM GPU, so no upgrading the GPU
- An I7-6700HQ will limit the maximal GTX 1070 3D performance considerably in some cases
- The LG LP156WF panel in use isn't perfect, also showing high light bleeding when screen is all black (but not turned off)
- Speakers aren't great, with fuzzy sound (but I could enjoy it)
- screen's chassis could be more firm and could be twisted, providing better protection (quite common)
- Some people report that when blackened (but not turned off), the screen will show light bleeding spots
- Battery running times are relatively short, even in Optimus mode (bios update may change that?)
- Not really a con - only one M.2 PCIe NVMe slot (besides 2xM.2 SATA)
- Not the most comfortable touchpad in terms of sensitivity and responsiveness
- As with many Clevo laptops, bios updates may not be that accessible or common (but there are modded bioses usually)
- In Optimus mode, the screen's image will move from time to time, jump up and down
- No international warranty from Clevo (some reseller offer it, like HIDEvoltion)
- Basic version comes with the basic Intel 3160 Wifi card (but it's cheap to upgrade)
|Model Names||Clevo P650RS-G, Clevo P651RS-G, Sager NP8613|
|Price||Basic version: $1500 (no SSD, 8GB RAM, GTX 1070 8GB)|
|CPU||I7-6700HQ (2.6GHZ-3.5GHZ, 45W)|
|Motherboard||ASUS GL502VM / Intel HM170 (Skylake PCH-H)
3xPCI Express x1, 3xPCI Express x4, 1xPCI Express x16
|GPU||Nvidia Geforce GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5, 2048 shadars core@1443-1645MHZ, GDDR5@2GHZ, 256-bit bus|
|RAM||Basic version: 1 x 8GB 2400MHZ SK Hynix GKE800SO102408-240 (other side of the motherboard)
For the review: 2 x 8GB F4-2666C18-8GRS 2666MHZ
4 slots total, 2 are on the other side of the motherboard
|Storage||HDD : HGST HTS721010A9E630 7200RPM 1TB HDD
SSD: free slot
2.5" SATA bays: 1x7mm 2.5" bay + 1x9mm 2.5" bay. one upon the other.
M.2: 2xM.2 SATA + 1xM.2 PCIe NVMe
|LCD Panel||In review: 1080p 15.6", LG Display 156WF6 [DELL P/N: 3874Y], IPS, 30-pin eDP|
|Weight / Dimensions||~2.85kg / ~6.28 lbs (with HDD), PSU ~0.84kg
385 x 271 x 28.8 mm
15.16” x 10.67” x 1.34”
(w x d x h)
|Keyboard||multicolor backlit, 5 levels including off|
|Connection Ports||right side: Kensington Lock, RJ-45, 1xUSB 3.0, 6-in-1 Card Reader, SIM slot, S/PDIF + Microphone + headphone
Left: 1 x mDP (v1.3), 2 x USB 3.1 gen2 Type-C, 2 x USB 3.0 (Type-A)
Rear: power-in, HDMI 1.4 (2.0?), mDP 1.3
|WiFi / Ethernet||WiFi: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165
Ethernet: RealTek Semiconductor RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC
|Speakers||2 speakers above the keyboard surface|
|Battery||4 cell, 60Wh|
|Bios / EC version (test unit)||1.05.02 /|
|Extra features||Embedded TPM 2.0|
The Clevo P650RS-G is Clevos’ shot at a GTX 1070 gaming laptop which also isn’t big in size and price, relatively. It’s the bigger sister of the GTX 1060 equipped Clevo P650RP6-G/P651RP6-G (Reviewed here). The basic machine can currently be bought for $1500 or less, without an OS, no SSD and with 8GB RAM (and it could be probably be less) and though these elements cost money, many people will like to buy/install these themselves either because they have it already or because they can find it for a lower price. The GPU is the GTX 1070 8GB Nvidia GPU which is very similar to the desktop version, only with slightly higher cores count (not a mistake), but lower maximal TDP (125W vs 150W, according to HWInfo) – that’s more than the previous generation GTX 980M. The P650RS is relatively lightweight for such a laptop with a GTX 1070.
The P650RS-G has the same Clevo signature feature-set with lots of connection and storage ports. The “-G” version also has G-Sync support as in the P650RP6. The keyboard feels the same more or less (which means – pretty comfortable), probably same 1080p LG IPS display. The P650RS is slightly bigger in size. The P650RS adds, however, one M.2 slot (SATA). The cooling system is improved to handle the extra heat. Thunderbolt 3 is not there, so no TB3 eGPU (but I bet we’ll see M.2 EXP GDC eGPU). Otherwise, it looks pretty the same.
Getting one step up, Clevo offers models with a desktop CPU and an MXM GPU as well as other features like HDMI 2.0, mDP 1.3 and Thunderbolt 3 (check the Clevo P775DM3), so CPU and GPU are replaceable. These may be suitable for some who look for a desktop CPU and the upgrade option to Kaby Lake I7 and next generations GPUs. These machines are also usually heavier and more expensive, at least at the point of initial purchase, as later upgrades may be worth it, with time.
So, this model offers a very good performance/price ratio with lots of extras. Let’s see how it fairs in this review.
The build quality is very much like the P650RP6 model. Relatively firm plastic chassis with some metal finish. Average hinges. Screen’s outer lid/chassis can be rather easily twisted but can withstand quite a high perpendicular pressure, so that’s good (ok to put in a bag). Keyboard surface will yield, but you’ll need to press it quite hard. As the P650RP6/P651RP6 there is some space between some parts that dust can go in.
Overall, the P650RS is ok and in my opinion, sufficient. I never sure about the hinges though.
Same looks as the two previous comparable Clevo model. Looks solid, black, simple, but has some metal finish
Maintenance and inner parts
The bottom cover is easily removed by removing ~12 screws. You’ll find three M.2 slots, one of them an NVMe slot, plus 2.5″ SATA bay, one for up to 9mm HDD and one for 7mm HDD. Two memory slots are free and another two are on the other side of the motherboard (not shown here) and are probably accessible by removing the keyboard part.
CPU and GPU are soldered in this machine. The cooling system is enhanced compared to the P650RP6, with extra heatspreaders for the extra VRAM it seems, plus another heatpipe connecting the GPU and CPU. The GPU has two dedicated fans and the CPU has one. Cooler air is sipped from the bottom and thrown to the rear and to the side in the GPU case.
Also pasted from the P650RP6 review:
Keyboard. The keyboard is rather good. I think it is very similar or the same as before: feedback (Have I finished with the click?) and response (how quickly the key is back for another click) are very good. travel depth is good for this kind of keyboard. I do feel that the experience is not even across all keys and it’s slightly felt. Not all keys have the same feedback level (or is it my fingers?). Also, I think that a little more resistance would be good.
The keyboard is a backlit keyboard with programmable colors, which I like very much. Colors seem a little dull compared to the GT62VR, but I liked it nontheless. I took purple and green.
Bottom line – a good keyboard. Not a great keyboard, but a good keyboard. A little more fine tuning and even key quality could be great.
Touchpad. The touchpad is basic with simple texture, but that’s ok. It works well and has two separated buttons. I found it a little annoying to scroll with two fingers as the touchpad would not respond very quickly or well if your fingers aren’t synchronized enough, maybe it’s a software issue. Bottom line, that’s an average touchpad.
From the P650RP6 review:
I may be wrong, but I think Clevo just upped their game with speakers that actually cost more than five cents. The 2 x Onkyo speakers provide boxy, yet pleasant sound, including reasonable bass. I’m not an audiophile, but the mids are a strong point with some richness and deepness, subjectively. Lows and highs are great, but at least they exist, which is better than previous generations (nbc review says it might be the same for the P651RP6, but I don’t remember it like that). Maximal volume isn’t that high and don’t expect to blow the roof with these speakers.
Overall, sufficient speakers. A subwoofer would have been nice. A good upgrade over last generation if I remember correctly.
Added CPU-Z and GPU-Z screenshots.
OS : Windows 10, fully updated, 1607 version
Drivers: Nvidia Geforce 372.90
Well, Thief at 1080p performance limits are reached with a GTX 1070 GPU and an I7-6700HQ CPU. I guess the CPU is a bottleneck in this case. The 4K benchmark does see differences in performance, probably because the GPU becomes a little more bottleneck compared to the CPU.
I don’t know why, but the built-in benchmark takes the same graphics settings no matter what I do (including reinstalling). Let me know if you have any solution
Total War : Warhammer DX12 performance is lower than DX11 with this Nvidia Geforce GTX 1070.
BF4 campaign benchmark. 4K resolution will be ok as long as you keep it on medium or high graphics settings
Ashes Of Singularity is handled relatively easily by the I7-6700HQ and GTX 1070 8GB. At highest settings, both DX11 and DX12 modes are matched more or less and even at lower graphics settings in 4K resolutions. However, the 1080p resolution, Extreme graphics settings or lower show big differences between DX11 and DX12 in Ashes Of Singularity, probably because the classic graphics pipeline isn’t choked.
The very 3D demanding Anno 2205 handled with ease by the GTX 1070. Though Anno 2205 is probably not that optimized.
4K is a problem with The Rise Of The Tomb Raider for some reason, even at medium settings. I think they didn’t really optimized the 4K thing.
The difference between the “Ultra” and “High” graphics settings is the AA method – SSAAx4 vs FXAA
The new Obduction mystery game. Try it, it’s nice. It will run well on a GTX 1060 or GTX 1070.
Star Wars : Battlefront is relatively easy on the system. I think it is also because of the relatively good implementation of the game, like the Battlefield 4, which could run on a much lower end machines (think GT 940MX)
The Hitman 2016 series is a demanding game, though like in Fallout 4, it’s not clear to my why. Performance using DX12 mode is considerably higher with the GTX 1070 (more than a GTX 1060).
Stress tests and throttling behavior
As described before, the GPU and CPU share one heatpipe. The GPU has two dedicated fans and the CPU has one. Cool air sucked from the bottom of the machine (hence, it’s important to keep its bottom above the sitting surface) and is thrown from the rear and side (in GPU case)
1. Idle, power saver mode
2. Gaming : Ashes Of Singularity benchmark. “Crazy” settings, “High performance” power mode. Four consecutive runs.
3. Prime95 torture test. “High performance” power mode.
4. Prime95 + Furmark on 900p test, AAx4. “High performance” power mode.
The P650RS can handle the heat pretty well, even in the Furmark + Prime95 stress test. That’s pretty good. It’s also isn’t that loud.
Clocks remain pretty high under Ashes of Singularity stress test (reminder : 4 consecutive AoS benchmark runs, around 12 minutes total). GPU core clocks is arouns 1.5-1.55GHZ on average, which is lower than the maximal boost clocks. The reason is power limitations according to the GPU-Z, which makes sense. Temperature is less of a problem in this case.
Even in the Prime95 + Furmark test, CPU clocks remains around 2.7GHZ which is pretty high for an I7-6700HQ with all cores 100% loaded. The GPU clocks are lower, with an average for 1.4-1.45GHZ, which are around the GPU base clocks and around 200MHZ lower than maximal boost clocks (under load) and it could be even lower in some situations. It could be either the power limitations of the GTX 1070 or the total system power consumption.
|CPU Clocks||CPU average stable||CPU MAX||GPU|
|2.7||89||94||82||Prime95 + Furmark|
|3.1||88||89||84||Ashes Of Singularity|
Under high load, like gaming load or Furmark + Prime95, most of the upper part of the laptop gets warm, including the right palm rest. The hotter parts are the surface between the keyboard’s “F” keys and the speakers and the center and left parts of the keyboard, while the right part is better. The keyboard did get to a point where I have noticed the heat in my fingertips and it was annoying.
The P650RS remains very quiet under light load, even at “high performance” mode. Under the highest load, the fans’ noise is noticeable, but it’s not very high.
UPDATE: Some people have reported high fan noise in some situations in this mega-thread, though a newer EC/bios should solve much of it.
UPDATE 2: I’ve tried a newer bios from mysn.de (a German Clevo brand) and it seems to me like the fans are louder now under light load. It may be the issue that some of the people are reporting, as I don’t remember having this before.
The Asus GL502VM comes with the LG LP156WF6 with an unknown retail variant, only the “DELL P/N: 3874Y]” (this is the same marking as in the MSI GT62VR 6RD, Clevo P650RP6-G and GE62 6QF), an 1080p IPS panel which is part of the LP156WF panels family currently widely in use. No PWM (no flickering) could be detected by me. Instead of repeating the words, I’d say that this model is generally a good but not great IPS panel (in my opinion) – good overall qualities, but it’s not the highest quality in terms of contrast, colors and response time. However, when looking on a completely black screen, you’ll notice light bleeding. This also hurts black levels ofcourse, and contrast. For me it’s sufficient, but I still think there is place for a better one, especially in these $1500 machines and especially because there were better panels in the past.
Screen overclocking : in my case, I couldn’t get pass 63HZ via the Nvidia control center. Perhaps there are more professional screen OC’ers, but I don’t think it will go much beyond that.
Some people report that when blackened (but not turned off), the screen will show light bleeding spots.
The XRite i1Display reading (different from the Spyder5Elite):
|Contrast||White Luminence||Black Luminence||Screen Brightness|
The battery performance is measured in Optimus mode. The power consumption is relatively high.
The NVidia GPU would kick in often and require lots more power. Also, it seems that in “power saver” mode, 4K movies would not play smoothly, and “blaanced” mode was required, resulting in higher CPU load.
Overclocking the GTX 1070 mobile version isn’t hard. You can use the MSI Afterburner or Nvidia Inspector. I’ve tried several configurations:
- GPU core +200MHZ, VRAM +400MHZ (not stable in Furmark test)
- GPU core +160MHZ, VRAM +400MHZ (no issues). This is the one I used.
- GPU core +200MHZ (not stable in Furmark test)
- The improvement in some games@1080p is insignificant, probably because the I7-6700HQ bottlenecks the performance
- I couldn’t set specific clocks for the GPU
- Metro : Last Light. Built-in benchmark, “Ultra” settings@2160p. Average: 46FPS (~12%)
- Ashes Of Singularity. Built-in benchmark, “Crazy”@2160p. Average: 34.5FPS (~7-8%)
And these are the Furmark + Prime95 stress tests. Note that using “overclock” fans profile help to reduce the temps significantly.
- Not sure, but according to iperf testings, the WiFi throughput goes up and down and is not consistent.
- Again, not sure what is the cause, but in Optimus mode, it seems like the screen’s image is moving from time to time, jumping up and down. Not too annoying, but it’s obviously there. Drivers? Bios? I don’t know. Latest Intel and Nvidia drivers were in use.
As far as GTX 1070 equipped laptops go, there are few options:
- MSI GT62VR Dominator Pro (GTX 1070 version) which also has a good thermal performance and though it’s less thin and maybe a little heavier, it does have an MXM GPU (can be replaced in the future). Costs more at this point. Does get hot too.
- The Asus GL502VS (NBC review), relatively thin and lightweight (but not by a lot), but doesn’t have as good selection of connection and storage ports and not as good thermals. Does get hot too.
- Gigabyte P55W v6, but not as good thermals, no G-Sync, not as good ports selecton
- Alienware 15 R3 (GTX 1070) – costs considerably more at this point (expect lower prices). Has Thunderbolt 3 port and an Amplifier connection (but it’s limited in performance). Unclear quality at this point
- Some more customizable Clevo laptops like the P775DM3 with thunderbolt 3 port, MXM GPU and some 120HZ displays options. Also, a desktop CPU
- Eurocom Tornado F5 with GTX 1070 – should be around the same price with some discounts, only with an MXM GPU and a desktop CPU.
As for all the alternatives with an MXM GPU and soldered CPU (like the GT62VR), I must say that the I7-6700HQ is already a bottleneck in many cases, at least for 1080p and with a faster GPU, it may be in 4K too, so an MXM GPU may be less than an effective upgrade path. We’ll have to investigate it more soon and I’ll update.
Much like the Clevo P650RP6 (reviewed here), the Clevo P650RS/P651RS-G offer a very good feature-set and qualities, including good CPU/GPU thermal performance, G-Sync + Optimus support, good IPS display, comfortable keyboard, very good connection and storage ports selection and more. The P650RS-G/P651RS-G is a relatively thin a lightweight model, in comparison to the heavier MXM and/or desktop CPU models. Overall, this model offers a lot of juice for relatively low price for such a laptop, resulting in a high performance/price and value/price ratios. Except the keyboard getting a bit too warm (like some other laptops), I don’t have a seriously bad words to say about this model. It doesn’t have an MXM GPU or a Thunderbolt 3, which is a disadvantage compared to some others, but usually upgrading an MXM GPU is not that cheap and Thunderbolt 3 is certainly not a must. (but, again, these are disadvantages and should be noted by those who want to upgrade or use eGPU/eSSD).
A point should be made about this specific configuration, with an I7-6700HQ. The I7-6700HQ is a limiting factor of the 3D performance with a GPU like the GTX 1070, sometimes even considerably. So, probably it should be better to go with an I7-6820HK, if it comes for a good price
In this segment of 15.6″ gaming laptops, it does very well. Its competitors (Asus GL502VS, Gigabyte P55Wv6, MSI GT62VR, Alienware 15 R3) have some disadvantage compared to it, either the higher price (compared to the basic version), higher weight and bigger frame, lack of connection ports or much worse thermal solution. The GT62VR is really the most interesting competitor for not a lot more, mostly thanks to the relatively effective thermal solution and the MXM GPU which makes it unique. However, it is bigger (and harder to carry) and more expensive (sorry for repeating) and has heavier MSI styling that perhaps not suitable for some.
Overall the P650RS is a very tempting machine for many who are looking for a GTX 1070 performance in a slimmer body and $1500 price tag (be sure that there will be discounts and lower prices), especially those who don’t need an pre-installed OS and 16GB RAM. The competition is rather easy on the P650RS too, at this point, with only the GT62VR standing out, in my opinion, and worth considering mainly for its MXM GPU, which, as said before, may not be such a great upgrade option due to the I7-6700HQ limiting a system with GTX 1070+ performance (I’ll update). Even the Asus GL502VS US deal for ~$1500-$1550 wasn’t very appealing compared to this machine, in my opinion.
So, the P650RS/P651RS is a very good option in my opinion, if you can handle the basic version, just wait for some discount or a coupon.
And ask anything!